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I wonder why the hell Shutterstock allows this .In Shutterstock License Agreement they state clearly that the license doesnt allow use for logos  
"1.2RESTRICTIONS ON USE OF VISUAL CONTENT
YOU MAY NOT:
h.Use any Visual Content (in whole or in part) as a trademark, service mark, logo, or other indication of origin, or as part thereof."

Nevertheless they are accepting stolen logos from 99designs. Looks a bit contradictory....
This issue has been discussed many times in the 99designs. Most of times the thief just takes the logomark without a company name ,wich I guess can be aceptable by SS (obviously if SS doesnt know has been stolen) .
In this case I found recently ,the thief is not just copying the logo with a generic company name,  even copies the name of the companies. In some cases the thief steal the winner designs , that are used by companies that paid for that design.Overal he is taking several designs from diferent designers in each contest.  
In my opinion anything that looks like a logo with a company name,even a generic one, should not be acepted ,according the Shutterstock terms of use. But I guess they dont care too much about their own rules.


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Pure Vermont (2 winner designs stolen)

99desings
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/cannabis-company-logo-vermont-organic-1032592/entries

STOLEN:https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=canabis&sort=newest
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99designs Alto tiburon veterinary Hospital (winner design stolen)
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/fun-veterinary-hospital-logo-1024076/entries

99designs Alta Sierra Veterinary Hospital
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/mountain-town-veterinarian-needs-look-1019990/entries

STOLEN:https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=veterinary&sort=newest

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Mountain Hound (winner design stolen)
99designs
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/mountain-hound-1026429/entries

STOLEN: https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=dog&sort=newest

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The masked chicken

https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/fun-logo-restaurant-brand-1027882/entries

STOLEN:https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=chicken&sort=newest
99designs:

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Hayden hogs

99designs:
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/best-looking-quality-show-hogs-available-1024806/entries

STOLEN:https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=pig&sort=newest

 

I am sure there are more,if not all stolen from 99designs.

 

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  • kar changed the title to Stolen Logos in Shutterstock

I didn't see any discussion forum or anything on 99 Design in which they discussed this "many times"

So, how do you know who is the thief, the Shutterstock contributor or the 99design contributor?

Frankly, in the 12 years I am here I know that more often than not, they (not 99design in particular) steal from Shutterstock Contributors instead of the other way around.

 

Your reference to the License Agreement makes no sense. You quoted about content use, but you are complaining about content acceptance 

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On 11/22/2020 at 8:29 PM, Rudy Umans said:

I didn't see any discussion forum or anything on 99 Design in which they discussed this "many times"

So, how do you know who is the thief, the Shutterstock contributor or the 99design contributor?

Frankly, in the 12 years I am here I know that more often than not, they (not 99design in particular) steal from Shutterstock Contributors instead of the other way around.

 

Your reference to the License Agreement makes no sense. You quoted about content use, but you are complaining about content acceptance 

I have an account in 99designs and they have a forum where there are several threads about SS thieves taking designs from 99designs . I know that in 99designs there are also people taking microstock cliparts for logos , althought they control it  pretty good,.But in this case I am sure is not so.
"How do you know who is the thief, the Shutterstock contributor or the 99design contributor?"
 Did you take some time for see the links to the contests? The SS contributor is taking designs from several designers in each contest,in some cases also winners,with exactly the same company name .
By example the logo for Pure Vermont Cannabis Co.
https://www.shutterstock.com/es/g/Astanto+tanto?searchterm=canabis&sort=newest

He took the 2 winner designs and 2 more

https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/cannabis-company-logo-vermont-organic-1032592/entries/121

https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/cannabis-company-logo-vermont-organic-1032592/entries/18

https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/cannabis-company-logo-vermont-organic-1032592/entries/156
https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/cannabis-company-logo-vermont-organic-1032592/entries/144
Four designs from 3 designers .What is more striking and fishy is the coincidence of the company name .Do you think is factible someone  open a 99d contest ,several designers come to SS and find these designs in SS with the same company name ?And this coincidence is repeated in many contests ... If there would not be that coincidence of the name I would have more doubts.


And what I am saying about the License Agreement is that SS doesnt allow the use of their content for logos,but they are accepting designs that are clearly logos with a company name. Of course the buyer can use them for what he want ,not necessarily for a logo, but for me is contradictory that SS accept "logos" and they dont allow use them for logos.

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10 hours ago, kar said:

"How do you know who is the thief, the Shutterstock contributor or the 99design contributor?"
 Did you take some time for see the links to the contests? The SS contributor is taking designs from several designers in each contest,in some cases also winners,with exactly the same company name .

Admittingly I am not a Graphic Designer, but to me it seems that the designers you linked to did the same thing, to me (again) it looks like they took design elements from each other

I am not saying you are wrong, but to make a case that sticks, you will have to come with better proof. Not for me, but for the people at SS

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2 hours ago, Darla Hallmark said:

Could it merely be that Astrex 13 participates in a lot of 99designs contests?

 

I really doubt it so much ,as I said he is uploadinig designs from a lot of diferent designers. I know some of top designers affected, and I see how some of them work so hard in this platform, that I doubt they have the time for manage so much accounts,in fact they or anyone. And if that was the case, what he would be doing selling his own winner designs is also bad done,because the rights pass to the contest holder.

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1 hour ago, Rudy Umans said:

Admittingly I am not a Graphic Designer, but to me it seems that the designers you linked to did the same thing, to me (again) it looks like they took design elements from each other

I am not saying you are wrong, but to make a case that sticks, you will have to come with better proof. Not for me, but for the people at SS

"...to me it seems that the designers you linked to did the same thing."

Are you seeing the same designs I am seeing?  The 99designs contests holders post their requirements in a brief , and is normal that the designs have common elements . If a logo is about cannabis ,is normal that have cannabis leaves .Or if is for veterinary is also common that have animals. All plus the requirement of the contest holder. I dont know where you see by example the links for Pure Vermont Cannabis Co designs can be considered the same.Or any of the other ones ,beeing a designer or not.
How do you explain the coincidence of the company names?

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34 minutes ago, kar said:

"...to me it seems that the designers you linked to did the same thing."

Are you seeing the same designs I am seeing?  The 99designs contests holders post their requirements in a brief , and is normal that the designs have common elements . If a logo is about cannabis ,is normal that have cannabis leaves .Or if is for veterinary is also common that have animals. All plus the requirement of the contest holder. I dont know where you see by example the links for Pure Vermont Cannabis Co designs can be considered the same.Or any of the other ones ,beeing a designer or not.
How do you explain the coincidence of the company names?

Obviously you are a very passionate person about  graphic design, but regardless how tempting it might be I am not going to debate what I see and how I see it. What designers do is their concern, not mine. Besides there would be no winners. 

My second point was more important. You need more proof. Once you have that solid proof, tell SS. 

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28 minutes ago, Rudy Umans said:

Obviously you are a very passionate person about  graphic design, but regardless how tempting it might be I am not going to debate what I see and how I see it. What designers do is their concern, not mine. Besides there would be no winners. 

My second point was more important. You need more proof. Once you have that solid proof, tell SS. 

I neither want to debate if the designs are the same or not, you were who pointed that they are the same and I just answered. Any way I think that is not related to the infrigement.
About the proofs,I just have clues about this portfolio that I think are enough for SS investigate this proactively .And that is what I am hoping they do ,before spending more time.
As other person said,the only explanation of the coincidence of the company names could be that a 99designer would be uploading their own works to SS.But I already have answered why I think that is not so.

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I had never heard of 99designs. Very interesting.
I had already pointed out the problem to our admin Kate Shutterstock. Sometimes you will get an answer from her, but often not.
I think it would be more convenient if you send a link from this topic to 99designs and ask them to pass it along to the Shutterstock people.

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On 11/22/2020 at 5:25 PM, kar said:

In this case I found recently ,the thief is not just copying the logo with a generic company name,  even copies the name of the companies. In some cases the thief steal the winner designs

Looks like you're right.

Be aware that 99designs on their homepage says: "We also charge a platform fee on every project to provide you with support, secure payments, fraud protection and more. " So they must be committed to help. Also the companies that have bought the designs must be furious ..!

Great designs at 99designs by the way ..! 😄🙌

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I didn't know about 99designs so far. Reading the rules, the ID needs to be verified in order to participate in the contest as a designer there. Passport, ID card or driver's license. And a face photo too. So it must be quite difficult to create multiple accounts to participate in the contests there, isn't it?

https://support.99designs.com/hc/en-us/articles/205460145-What-is-identity-verification-

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11 hours ago, Thijs de Graaf said:

I had never heard of 99designs. Very interesting.
I had already pointed out the problem to our admin Kate Shutterstock. Sometimes you will get an answer from her, but often not.
I think it would be more convenient if you send a link from this topic to 99designs and ask them to pass it along to the Shutterstock people.

Thank you,I will wait to what Kate have to say.

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7 hours ago, oleschwander said:

Looks like you're right.

Be aware that 99designs on their homepage says: "We also charge a platform fee on every project to provide you with support, secure payments, fraud protection and more. " So they must be committed to help. Also the companies that have bought the designs must be furious ..!

Great designs at 99designs by the way ..! 😄🙌

Thaks,I am going to wait to see if the SS staff have something to say.

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3 hours ago, Yori N said:

I didn't know about 99designs so far. Reading the rules, the ID needs to be verified in order to participate in the contest as a designer there. Passport, ID card or driver's license. And a face photo too. So it must be quite difficult to create multiple accounts to participate in the contests there, isn't it?

https://support.99designs.com/hc/en-us/articles/205460145-What-is-identity-verification-

Yes,when I registered they asked for a photo of myself and an ID scan. About creating fake accounts ,I guess is posible but definitily more difficult. In this case with so many designers accounts( I know the work of some of them and doubt has any relation with this) ,and the fact the SS contributor is selling winnner designs ,I am sure the posibility of a designer with many accounts is not posible .I think this person probably has an account on 99designs ,maybe entering in some contest or just following ,and vectorizing the designs he like for sell them here .

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20 hours ago, kar said:

I really doubt it so much ,as I said he is uploadinig designs from a lot of diferent designers. I know some of top designers affected, and I see how some of them work so hard in this platform, that I doubt they have the time for manage so much accounts,in fact they or anyone. And if that was the case, what he would be doing selling his own winner designs is also bad done,because the rights pass to the contest holder.

Ah.  So it's bad behavior either way. 

I looked through the entire portfolio, and I can see you are right.  There are a few photos at the very end that are evidently Astrex 13's own work.  They're beginner quality, and don't show any sense of design or composition which one would expect from someone who can produce the logo designs. 

 

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6 hours ago, Darla Hallmark said:

Ah.  So it's bad behavior either way. 

I looked through the entire portfolio, and I can see you are right.  There are a few photos at the very end that are evidently Astrex 13's own work.  They're beginner quality, and don't show any sense of design or composition which one would expect from someone who can produce the logo designs. 

 

Yes , and I also did something I didnt before  .I compared two logos of the SS contributor and 99designs, and I see differences that are one more proof that the 99d designers and the SS contributor are not the same person ,if all the evidences so far were not enough.
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In this one the texture of Pure Vermont in the SS contributor is a bad attemp for copy the original design
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Same here with the texture of the leaves

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How long does it usually take @Kate Shutterstock to answer a question from the forums,? I dont enter here frequently.

 

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1 hour ago, Thijs de Graaf said:

Would he really have drawn this logo for Darach? It's possible of course.  If so, this logo is no longer salable, right?
By the way, I also sent Kate an email.

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/tree-logo-design-vector-ilustration-1808162644

 

https://www.darachbrewing.com/

Thanks for contact her.

About the logo for Darach is another contest winnner in 99d:

https://99designs.es/logo-design/contests/sophisticated-brewery-logo-incorporating-oak-elements-1006307/entries

I think all or most of the logos in this portfolio are from 99designs, and once a design wins, the rights pass to the Contest Holder and could not be sold by the designer.A designer just could sale his work here if didnt win the contest,and obviously without a company name that can be trademarked. And this is only aplicable if Astrex13 was the creator of them,and I think is not so.
Anyway as I said in my first post ,I think the designs that seems like logos even with a generic company name should not be accepted by SS according their rules about the use of content for logos that is not allowed.

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This raises all kinds of questions.

  • How can anyone use logos with names already bought and used by existing firms. There is a good chance that this will go wrong. If the other illustrations do come from himself, he doesn't need them at all and runs the risk of everything being removed.
  • I wonder to what extent the other illustrations were made by himself.
  • How could these logos be accepted by Shutterstock? Especially when you see how difficult they are about graffiti for example for fear of processes.
  • No answer from Kate yet. But I can imagine that this will be discussed with others first.
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https://www.shutterstock.com/nl/image-vector/hammer-mascot-design-vector-illustration-1849878364

https://hammereddwarf.net/contact-us/

 

https://www.shutterstock.com/nl/image-vector/row-sport-logo-design-vector-1692998770

https://www.48hourslogo.com/project.php?id=89372

 

https://www.shutterstock.com/nl/image-vector/mountain-outdoor-logo-design-vector-1813632862

https://www.facebook.com/Lava-Creek-Ranch-100258901753407/

 

Still no word from @Kate Shutterstock. Hope Shutterstock will take action against such practices. At the very least, these firms won't be happy to read, that their logos are for sale on Shutterstock and that Shutterstock is not doing anything about it despite warnings. (and you can be sure that this will be known to them. There are so many people who are annoyed by this that someone will bring this out)
But also other companies may turn to other stock sites. Come on Shutterstock do something about this. This is very bad for your reputation.

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