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8 minutes ago, geogif said:

In this huge block they will sink like lead. And tear each other down in the process. 
I'm also a proponent of many images and upload, upload, upload. But they should be different pictures and at least some of them should be of avarage quality.

 I agree.

Oh yes, there are many of them under "old man portrait" and they have a great, honest description too: "...me attitude of an egotist, egoist. Dapper old man showing his self love and conceit."

Catchy outfit, looks like a ringmaster.

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So I have to assume that based on your recent string of posts that you are now well within your own new 24K per year threshold for being allowed to speak? Not that you yourself would be subject to any

Sounds like you haven't leaned much about stock photography with your time here.

Bad Idea. If you give Pete the chance to write something, you get "war and peace" in double size.  So better, if he keeps calm. 

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19 minutes ago, geogif said:

If you are really so unimaginative that you think you have to submit hundreds of similars, you should do so with a time delay. Not all at once, but staggered.

That's because you have really low expectations. To you 10 images are a lot. To me 20 images are just right.
You nagged me about this before but believe me, your approval is not sought, desired nor solicited.
I don't care what you think. You are mostly loud, rude and wrong.
I only care what the buyers think.

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23 hours ago, Grossinger said:

If you look closely my images are not similar

I had a good laugh at this one. If you look closely you can indeed see that they are not similar identical. To see if two images are similar, in no way do you need to look close. When you do, it means that they are similar by definition. Oh well...

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7 hours ago, Grossinger said:

The fact is those with small ports of less than 1000 images have the numbers stacked against them.
 

Are you actually aware that there are contributors with significantly less than 1000 photos who have joined the .33c subscription club and did so long before you did? That's right, you don't need thousands of images to reach that level. Gosh, this guy reminds me of an ostrich from the cartoons that sticks his head in the sand, totally unaware of what goes on around him.

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4 hours ago, Patrick Cooper said:

Are you actually aware that there are contributors with significantly less than 1000 photos who have joined the .33c subscription club and did so long before you did? That's right, you don't need thousands of images to reach that level. Gosh, this guy reminds me of an ostrich from the cartoons that sticks his head in the sand, totally unaware of what goes on around him.

Yeah right. Given enough time even a port with 10 images will reach the second level.
Hell, with enough time even your port will move up to the second level.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote.

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Just now, Grossinger said:

Yeah right. Given enough time even a port with 10 images will reach the second level.
 

And now your being completely unrealistic. Keep dreaming.

Once again, we'll have to remind you of a very important word in the world of stock photography - quality.

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Update on my quest for the 10,000 image port.
Right now I have 9619 images in the stills port and 476 videos
9619+476=10,095!
Made it in less than one year.
Now I can get on with my life.
For the first time in a long while I took no pictures or videos today.
Just kicked back and relaxed.
Tomorrow I will take a lot of images but probably won't upload any until 2 January.
From then on a new schedule starts for me, but with no commitment for anything.
I'm glad I have this monkey off my back.

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Just now, Patrick Cooper said:

And now your being completely unrealistic. Keep dreaming.

Once again, we'll have to remind you of a very important word in the world of stock photography - quality.

Interesting point Patrick.
Please point out the pictures in your port that are superior and don't look like a snap shot.
I must have missed it or them.

 

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1 hour ago, Grossinger said:

point out the pictures in your port that are superior and don't look like a snap shot.

With this remark you go to the level of Braggers and Egoposters. Remember that? That's how this whole thing started. 
And as soon as you think you have achieved something great by submitting hundreds of similars, you go to the same level. 

But maybe you're right. We'll see. 
Then the whole thing would make sense. 

So, let's assume that the number of images is the essential factor, almost the only one, for success and look at your PF and my PF. 
To minimize the time factor, let's just take the current month. At that time I had, for several months already, only half as many pictures in my PF as you in your PF. 
So you should have about twice as many sales as me in December. 
As I think that besides the numbers, a mediocre quality is not completely unimportant, I doubt that. So, what is the situation?
For me, without videos, December was below average. So I had relatively few DLs, but the holidays affect us both equally. Well, mine looked like this:

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I don't think you had more than 200 DLs. I don't even think you can get my DLs number with your twice as many pictures. 

So @Grossinger show me the numbers. Or do not show, if you feel ashamed. 

 

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45 minutes ago, Studio 2 said:

Congratulations @geogif You have quietly and diligently built a successful portfolio and that is an encouragement to others. You have also done very well with editorial 🍻

Thanks.
But I hope this won't cause any misunderstanding among the newbies. 
I am still a fan of upload, upload, upload and I think the Challange of Joe has shown a lot of instructive. 
Ironically, the unfortunate ending has once again shown very clearly how many similars have an effect in a saturated area. Today's ranking of "old man" (compared to yesterday) impressively confirms the "cream floats on top" theory. The low-quality-similars vanish quite fast. From this you can easily draw conclusions for your own PF. In such areas the mere number is of no use, on the contrary. Here only quality helps, but unfortunately stock-quality cannot be defined and has not much to do with photoclub quality.  
In less busy areas, quantity makes sense, especially for news topics. 
Since we can only measure quantity of the 3 important factors quantity, quality and time, the advice to newbies: upload, upload, upload is the right one. But of course they should take care, what they upload. 

 

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4 hours ago, geogif said:

For me, without videos, December was below average. So I had relatively few DLs, but the holidays affect us both equally. Well, mine looked like this:

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Just throwing in mine, which isn't by far my strongest month, with a port 2000 images smaller than yours....just to show (over and over again) that, really, size of a port is not the main factor that determines number of downloads. I thing Grossinger is a lost cause, he won't get it into his head, but I am posting this to all other people who might be naive enough to believe him and might want to follow in his foodsteps. Don't. Focus on diversity instead of relying on sheer numbers. I am not even going down the "quality" route, because after a year on Shutterstock I can tell that it is not always quality images that bring in the money. Sometimes it is simply something no one else has to offer. But uploading 1 image of that "something" or 100 - it wont make buyers buy the 100 images when all they really need is one.
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(And that's just Shutterstock. Sold more on iStock, a decent amount on Adobe and made more than I made from 213 sales here on Shutterstock on Alamy this month with just a single sale.... but, hey, Microstock-expert Grossinger does not see the point in submitting to other agencies)

And the sadest part is: I don't even think I am doing all that well in microstock. There are some people (with small ports!) I look up to and wish I could do what they do and I am miles away from that goal. But I know I am doing better than some people who fill their ports with crap just to get some number up.

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14 minutes ago, Firn said:

(And that's just Shutterstock. Sold more on iStock, a decent amount on Adobe and made more than I made from 213 sales here on Shutterstock on Alamy this month with just a single sale.... but, hey, Microstock-expert Grossinger does not see the point in submitting to other agencies)

Yes, me similar. SS is biggest, but not even 50% of all. 

And good to see such clear numbers, thanks, and compare with PF.

This is much more helpful than hot air or photo club samples. 

Perhaps I should buy a dog. But I doubt,my cat would like it. She is the chief of my home. 

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8 hours ago, Patrick Cooper said:

Well that didn't take long, did it? Despite being a best friends and mates club, Grossinger had to bring people down and resort to cheap shots. I guess it was inevitable. 

Nope, you made the brag about quality and I wanted to see that in your port.
Now you want to accuse me of making  a cheap shot just because I asked you to back up your brag?
Hey buddy, you can run but you can't hide.
 

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7 hours ago, geogif said:

With this remark you go to the level of Braggers and Egoposters. Remember that? That's how this whole thing started. 
And as soon as you think you have achieved something great by submitting hundreds of similars, you go to the same level. 

But maybe you're right. We'll see. 
Then the whole thing would make sense. 

So, let's assume that the number of images is the essential factor, almost the only one, for success and look at your PF and my PF. 
To minimize the time factor, let's just take the current month. At that time I had, for several months already, only half as many pictures in my PF as you in your PF. 
So you should have about twice as many sales as me in December. 
As I think that besides the numbers, a mediocre quality is not completely unimportant, I doubt that. So, what is the situation?
For me, without videos, December was below average. So I had relatively few DLs, but the holidays affect us both equally. Well, mine looked like this:

Unbenannt.JPG.0c6994bfdfc15556e98a3a1828285cab.JPG

I don't think you had more than 200 DLs. I don't even think you can get my DLs number with your twice as many pictures. 

So @Grossinger show me the numbers. Or do not show, if you feel ashamed. 

 

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So now you have joined the band of braggers. Congratulations, you do fit right in.
I'm looking forward to seeing your "see, I'm the greatest photographer ever" images.
Maybe some apples with glycerine or some boobs with stretch marks.
Or maybe some underwater sea cows and alligators.
Gosh, I really miss old Laurin, maybe you can take his place.

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2 minutes ago, Grossinger said:

Nope, you made the brag about quality and I wanted to see that in your port.
Now you want to accuse me of making  a cheap shot just because I asked you to back up your brag?
Hey buddy, you can run but you can't hide.
 

Clearly, you misunderstood my post. There was no bragging at all.

Anyhow, continue with your childish games if you want. 

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2 hours ago, Grossinger said:

Gosh, I really miss old Laurin, maybe you can take his place.

You can find him quite easily, by searching for "old man".

His fotos, which are not very new, are on page 3.

Most relevant kategory. 

By the way, im waiting for your numbers. And I do not mean the cheated 10000.  

Even @Firn with her tiny piddy PF of just 3000 got more the 200 DLs in December.

This should be quite simple for your 10000 fotos, so come on. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MJD Graphics said:

Don't know why you guys keep engaging in discussions with G, he never says anything new always the same old story. IMO it's a complete waste of time and energy.

Well, if you LOOK (you have to take an honest look) you will see all the braggers have a crazy "Grossinger obsession". It's a fact that I never start a conversation with these unfortunates, its always the braggers who post to or about me. You are also headed in that direction.

 

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3 hours ago, Patrick Cooper said:

Clearly, you misunderstood my post. There was no bragging at all.

Anyhow, continue with your childish games if you want. 

And please, by all

 

12 hours ago, Patrick Cooper said:

Well that didn't take long, did it? Despite being a best friends and mates club, Grossinger had to bring people down and resort to cheap shots. I guess it was inevitable. 

How is asking you to back up your bs posts "cheap"?
You are the one that starts these posts and I simply ask you to back it up.
" Interesting point Patrick.
Please point out the pictures in your port that are superior and don't look like a snap shot.
I must have missed it or them. "


How is that a cheap shot?

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2 minutes ago, PlopandShoot said:

Well you are right about it not taking long, if you look at page 42 when it fell of the rails, you can see how yet another thread got sidetracked by the group/mob desire to tear down a newbie. Joe is right, some of you cannot help but tear him down. He even left for a while and some of you (even in this thread) would incessantly check to see if he had logged in and then gleefully report on him. That he fights back (IMHO) is laudable. 

You all should seriously look at why he upsets you so much and why you cannot leave him alone. 

Congratulations on your achievement Joe. I hope the data you collected helps you be successful going forward.

Thanks!
Yeah, the honest folks can just backtrack on the threads to see I never start the arguments.
I don't even answer all attacks.
Just backtrack and see.
You won't believe all the good information and knowledge I've gained in the last 120 days. Really amazing.
2020 is a new beginning.
For me it's still upload, upload, upload, but with a twist.
No more scenics, no more flower shots except for those I find in stores and shoot with my Iphone, no more nature shots.
No, I'm not going to post what I will be photographing. Why should I help a bunch of braggers who are addicted to me and can't resist attacking me? Nope. Won't do it.
I'm not posting any stats. When I did instead of a few "attaboy" I got insults.
Nope, no more stats.
Now watch all these sick people run up the negative votes. LOL! Like does anybody care? Children acting like children.
So anyway, thanks for your kind words and have a very happy and blessed New Year.
 

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