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I think there should be some type of accountability for the reviewers, in the form of a viewable reviewer ID or similar. I recognize some issues it could raise but I am confident that there are a few out there that whether by bias or ineptitude, are consistently horribly inconsistent. Every once in a while I seem to hit them, and it is enfuriating.

 

Not claiming anything close to perfection with these images, just as an example of inconsistency, consider the photos below. They are part of a batch of 21, 18 of which were accepted last week. Yesterday, more photos taken the same days and conditions, with the same equipment, and of similar subjects were summarily rejected. ALL 34 of 34 images, each on the basis of "poor lighting" or "noise." None of the previous week's 21 images, again same days, similar and in some instances same subject, were rejected on that basis.

If reviewer ID is untenable, something needs doing that sifts out these reviewers, that allows complaints to be tracked by reviewer to see where they stack disproportionately. If that is occurring internally, it would be nice allow the community to know it, and how it works (or maybe I am the only one who doesn't know it). The alternative is that it feels like reviewers are able to hide under the cloak of anonymity and not be accountable for shoddy, inconsistent or biased reviews, internally or externally. There, I am done with my sincere rant.

 

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Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

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Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

For some reason, only from your words, I knew that you had no photos in your gallery.

 

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, sorry. Once you get approved, you will.

 

For possible 25 cents they are too picky or maybe they do not work good enough pressing 'reject' button for "number of images reviewed" quantity.

 

If you spend a week working on images and get such attitude from reviewers who rejected ALL your images without even specifying a reason, you will understand what we all mean. The reply from them I got was "we don't have much time to review it well enough and specify the reason. So we specify whatever reason. feel free to resubmit". Do we have extra time to do that? Why should we even bother? Like it was said: fat and lazy beast SS became.

 

Taras

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You got hit by Attila.

 

And be careful or they will re-review what has been accepted and if they find anything wrong with them they will remove them so dont be complaining because it has recently happened to someone and you could be next so watch out!

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You got hit by Attila.

 

And be careful or they will re-review what has been accepted and if they find anything wrong with them they will remove them so dont be complaining because it has recently happened to someone and you could be next so watch out!

 

Can they re-review all portfolio? Or just the previous batch?

 

Taras

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You got hit by Attila.

 

And be careful or they will re-review what has been accepted and if they find anything wrong with them they will remove them so dont be complaining because it has recently happened to someone and you could be next so watch out!

 

Can they re-review all portfolio? Or just the previous batch?

 

Taras

Not sure but the person who had it happen had all of his approved batch re-reviewed and they were all rejected and removed from his port!

 

LINK:

 

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123515&highlight=poor+lighting

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You got hit by Attila.

 

And be careful or they will re-review what has been accepted and if they find anything wrong with them they will remove them so dont be complaining because it has recently happened to someone and you could be next so watch out!

 

Can they re-review all portfolio? Or just the previous batch?

 

Taras

Not sure but the person who had it happen had all of his approved batch re-reviewed and they were all rejected and removed from his port!

 

LINK:

 

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=123515&highlight=poor+lighting

 

That's not funny at all! LOL

 

Taras

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Same here, 2 out of 11 accepted. All the rest rejected for poor framing, cropping, and/or composition. Interesting because most were patterns and backgrounds! (including the accepted ones). I wouldn't mind if there was a valid reason but this is unacceptable. Maybe if reviewers were paid an hourly rate and not for the number of half glances at files, our work would receive the attention it deserves.

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I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper. But I'm not allowed to comment here because I'm new and haven't uploaded yet?

 

Do you represent Pravda's content censor on this forum?

 

Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

For some reason, only from your words, I knew that you had no photos in your gallery.

 

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, sorry. Once you get approved, you will.

 

For possible 25 cents they are too picky or maybe they do not work good enough pressing 'reject' button for "number of images reviewed" quantity.

 

If you spend a week working on images and get such attitude from reviewers who rejected ALL your images without even specifying a reason, you will understand what we all mean. The reply from them I got was "we don't have much time to review it well enough and specify the reason. So we specify whatever reason. feel free to resubmit". Do we have extra time to do that? Why should we even bother? Like it was said: fat and lazy beast SS became.

 

Taras

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I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper. But I'm not allowed to comment here because I'm new and haven't uploaded yet?

 

Do you represent Pravda's content censor on this forum?

 

Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

For some reason, only from your words, I knew that you had no photos in your gallery.

 

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, sorry. Once you get approved, you will.

 

For possible 25 cents they are too picky or maybe they do not work good enough pressing 'reject' button for "number of images reviewed" quantity.

 

If you spend a week working on images and get such attitude from reviewers who rejected ALL your images without even specifying a reason, you will understand what we all mean. The reply from them I got was "we don't have much time to review it well enough and specify the reason. So we specify whatever reason. feel free to resubmit". Do we have extra time to do that? Why should we even bother? Like it was said: fat and lazy beast SS became.

 

Taras

There is more to it then what you know about, this is a totally different game then what you may be used to.

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Welcome to the forum and the playground.

 

I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper. But I'm not allowed to comment here because I'm new and haven't uploaded yet?

 

Do you represent Pravda's content censor on this forum?

 

Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

For some reason, only from your words, I knew that you had no photos in your gallery.

 

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, sorry. Once you get approved, you will.

 

For possible 25 cents they are too picky or maybe they do not work good enough pressing 'reject' button for "number of images reviewed" quantity.

 

If you spend a week working on images and get such attitude from reviewers who rejected ALL your images without even specifying a reason, you will understand what we all mean. The reply from them I got was "we don't have much time to review it well enough and specify the reason. So we specify whatever reason. feel free to resubmit". Do we have extra time to do that? Why should we even bother? Like it was said: fat and lazy beast SS became.

 

Taras

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I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper. But I'm not allowed to comment here because I'm new and haven't uploaded yet?

 

Do you represent Pravda's content censor on this forum?

 

Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

For some reason, only from your words, I knew that you had no photos in your gallery.

 

You don't have any idea what we are talking about, sorry. Once you get approved, you will.

 

For possible 25 cents they are too picky or maybe they do not work good enough pressing 'reject' button for "number of images reviewed" quantity.

 

If you spend a week working on images and get such attitude from reviewers who rejected ALL your images without even specifying a reason, you will understand what we all mean. The reply from them I got was "we don't have much time to review it well enough and specify the reason. So we specify whatever reason. feel free to resubmit". Do we have extra time to do that? Why should we even bother? Like it was said: fat and lazy beast SS became.

 

Taras

 

By all means no. I just don't understand your attitude to others on this forum. You may be a great photographer, but you still have no experience working here.

 

Taras

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Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

I suppose that is fair and you are entitled to your opinion. However, the previous submission is only the most like-comparison because of photo subjects, equipment and photographic conditions. Speaking more generally, it is far and away the trend of my 1000 submissions than the unprecedented 0 of 34 I received in this review. So, instead of "maybe the first 18 were accepted in error," you would have to say something closer to "maybe the first 700 accepted were in error, you might want to complain the 20+ reviewers responsible."

 

You got hit by Attila.

 

Is that the nickname of a particular reviewer, or just a generality? Is there any way to determine the identity of reviewers? I'm guessing no.

 

As FYI, admin asked me to re-submit them with the following note: "ATTN REVIEWER: See an Admin about this batch (re:ticket 2012.....)"

 

So far no previous batch review, but I suppose we'll see.

 

Thanks for your comments, Taras and others.

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Maybe the first 18 were accepted in error. You might want to complain about that to the reviewer responsible.

 

I suppose that is fair and you are entitled to your opinion. However, the previous submission is only the most like-comparison because of photo subjects, equipment and photographic conditions. Speaking more generally, it is far and away the trend of my 1000 submissions than the unprecedented 0 of 34 I received in this review. So, instead of "maybe the first 18 were accepted in error," you would have to say something closer to "maybe the first 700 accepted were in error, you might want to complain the 20+ reviewers responsible."

 

You got hit by Attila.

 

Is that the nickname of a particular reviewer, or just a generality? Is there any way to determine the identity of reviewers? I'm guessing no.

 

As FYI, admin asked me to re-submit them with the following note: "ATTN REVIEWER: See an Admin about this batch (re:ticket 2012.....)"

 

So far no previous batch review, but I suppose we'll see.

 

Thanks for your comments, Taras and others.

 

Attila refers to a reviewer that we refer to as Attila the None because it seems they never approve anything. No way to find out who the reviewer was by us but the SS people know.

 

With the note you were asked to include usually means they will be approved and when the reviewer gets them to contact the admin people for instruction.

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I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper.

 

Pffffpffft. Yet brilliant photographer that you are, you're slumming it in the world of microstock (which is basically the taint of the photography world, lol). Color me impressed!!!!

 

As for the OP, why do you care about whether or not a reviewer rejected your images? I know the basic reason (you worked hard on them). But with so many other options available to you, why not just take your rejected shots and shop them elsewhere? Or place them on your own website?

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i just got a political vector rejected because of potential copyright issues which i'm assuming are the democrat donkey and republican elephant logos im using.

 

There are plenty of these logos in the system inc some of my own which were previously approved, is there anyway I can get someone to relook at it and point out the element which is causing the issue (if any).

 

We all make mistakes and i'm sure the reviewers are working overtime to get everyones uploads looked at in a timely manner.

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i just got a political vector rejected because of potential copyright issues which i'm assuming are the democrat donkey and republican elephant logos im using.

 

There are plenty of these logos in the system inc some of my own which were previously approved, is there anyway I can get someone to relook at it and point out the element which is causing the issue (if any).

 

We all make mistakes and i'm sure the reviewers are working overtime to get everyones uploads looked at in a timely manner.

 

If they are your original drawings and not derived from someone else's depictions. I can't find anything that says, you can't use a donkey or an elephant. Since we can't see the image, are there any other features or words that could be protected.

 

Send for review. Elephants and Donkeys are not protected species.

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I'm always amused (in a negative way) by the rude welcome that new people get. If I was someone looking at joining or becoming active here, I'd be the one to say, Pffffpffft to the forum and SS.

 

I didn't know I needed your approval to have an opinion here. I have thousands more photos on sites around the world. I have 40 years experience in photography. Taught at university level and was an editor for a small newspaper section, including shooting 80% of the photos for that paper.

 

Pffffpffft. Yet brilliant photographer that you are, you're slumming it in the world of microstock (which is basically the taint of the photography world, lol). Color me impressed!!!!

 

As for the OP, why do you care about whether or not a reviewer rejected your images? I know the basic reason (you worked hard on them). But with so many other options available to you, why not just take your rejected shots and shop them elsewhere? Or place them on your own website?

 

Part two I'd agree. We invest time, effort and money to make an image and it's unsuitable. There's that personal interest which often gets in the way of just moving on to some other site or way to sell.

 

As much as I like SS and it's my top place to sell, it's not the end of the Internet or the Universe. There are other options. And when people post the rejected images, sometimes there's a reason.

 

Not a big complaint or issue, but we can only see the accepted images. Posting the rejected or examples, at full size, would be a good way to see what's going on.

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If they are your original drawings and not derived from someone else's depictions. I can't find anything that says, you can't use a donkey or an elephant. Since we can't see the image, are there any other features or words that could be protected.

 

Send for review. Elephants and Donkeys are not protected species.

 

Yes. They are mine but they are based on the official logos which is what most people on here are basing theirs off. I will resubmit and ask for clarification.. Maybe it's a new policy change.

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I'm always amused (in a negative way) by the rude welcome that new

 

people get. If I was someone looking at joining or becoming active here, I'd be the one to

 

say, Pffffpffft to the forum and SS.

 

I see no problem with what I did. If a newcomer chooses to introduce himself to a community with a belittling, snide comment towards someone who was looking for help over a upsetting situation-- and then follows it up with an arrogant brag of his accomplishments-- I don't see why this person should be coddled or welcomed with open arms. *shrugs*

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I just resubmit anything that was rejected. I've never had a rejection on the second round, as you usually end up with a different reviewer.

 

As for arguing with them or demanding accountability, don't bother. One argument with a reviewer got so tense that I was threatened with being kicked off the service. It's the proverbial brick wall and your head hitting it.

 

Nothing is worth that hassle. If you think your work is up to scratch, just take a breath and send it in again. After you are accepted, the whole delay punishment system falls away, so there is no risk. If you get rejected multiple times, then maybe that image is not good enough. But just pretend the reviewers are like casino card dealers - don't bother engaging them. It won't help your cause.

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Interesting the seven of my photos were rejected, two of which recently sold for $120 each at an art event. I'm not sure what they're looking for after this review.

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