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a question: Form w-7 states to not file it if you already have a US Social Security Number. Does that mean that having a US SSN is enough for someone to be exempt from the 30% tax?

Also, does having a SSN mean that you automatically have an ITIN also?

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OMG, So there are Chinese here!

 

Now I feel better, even forget I'm going to pay taxes to USA.

 

Thank you SS, I'm going to be sued by Chinese government, for I'm sponsoring the biggest captialism country in the world!

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I have a kinda feeling this thread going to be hajacked by Chinese.

 

这帮孙å­ä¸€ç›´è·‘题,我们也æ¥ä¸€æ¬¡å§...

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There are a lot of critical issues raised in this thread.

 

It would be helpful if SS staff & admins would deal with this issue in a more appropriate manner than simply posting FAQs and would actually take action to resolve this problem before contributors leave en-masse for being taxed inappropriately.

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It is just unbelievable that SS is transferring this problem to the submitters, instead of solving it like other Stock agents do.... I guess it will become Shutterstock for American Photographers, as I can predict a huge withdrawal of non-American submitters.

 

I guess they are too confident that people will not delete images no matter what. Who would have signed up in the first place knowing the hassle involved?

 

This is so unreal! I can't believe it. I feel like I will wake up and say "wow, what a ridiculous dream that was!"

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I am from Singapore (no treaty as i understood), but my husband is US citizen and lives in the US, and we file US tax together. will you withhold my tax in this case? What do i need to submit to keep my earnings from being reduced? Thanks in advance for your reply.

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OMG, So there are Chinese here!

 

Now I feel better, even forget I'm going to pay taxes to USA.

 

Thank you SS, I'm going to be sued by Chinese government, for I'm sponsoring the biggest captialism country in the world!

åŒèƒžä»¬ï¼Œç”¨æˆ‘们30%的收入,为伟大的美国的ç»æµŽå¤è‹åšè´¡çŒ®å§ï¼Œå¤§å®¶åŠ æ²¹å•Šã€‚

 

I have a kinda feeling this thread going to be hajacked by Chinese.

 

这帮孙å­ä¸€ç›´è·‘题,我们也æ¥ä¸€æ¬¡å§...

 

I hope not. this thread is really important and we all need to talk in a language we all understand : )

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I understand that all this IRS tax issue is imposed by the US government, not Shutterstock.

 

What I don't understand is why only now is this issue being publicly addressed.

 

I have written to both Shutterstock and other similar sites about this issue before, as I was concerned about any obligations I might have pertaining payment of taxes from my earnings on these sites.

 

The funny thing was, none of the sites seemed to care when I asked them if I had to pay taxes in the US even though I am not a US resident. I specifically asked, sometimes even more than once, if I was liable to pay taxes in the US as well as in my own country.

 

I also asked if those taxes were being withheld by the company (Shutterstock or others). Sometimes I did not get a reply. Other times I was simply brushed off with "No, you do not have to pay taxes in the US." Well as we now see, it is a whole different story after all.

 

The only conclusion I can come to is that all these microstock sites were too busy making money to worry about their tax responsabilities. So who's going to pay for their mistake? We, the contributors, of course. We who make a few dollars a month from hard word. We who already pay taxes in our own countries. And finally, we who already earn the smallest percentage of earnings.

 

For all these issues that "we" are responsible for it begins to seem to "me" that this business is only profitable for the microstock sites, not for the submitters. After all, I work hard to make my illustrations that already sell so cheaply. And neither the US government nor the microstock sites people are here with me at long hours of the night working and worrying. But they are here to earn the lion share of the earnings of my hard work.

 

So what is wrong with this business? Well, the submitter's commissions are too low, the competition is too fierce, and the selling price of the images is too low to return a worthwhile profit. Now with this IRS issue i begin to really wonder if it's worth to keep submitting content to microstock sites.

 

And if Shutterstock didn't inform us of our taxes responsabilities, why are we the only ones paying for this mistake?

 

I urge all submitters to post in this forum demanding at least higher commissions, higher selling prices and shared responsability of this IRS mess!

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OMG, So there are Chinese here!

 

Now I feel better, even forget I'm going to pay taxes to USA.

 

Thank you SS, I'm going to be sued by Chinese government, for I'm sponsoring the biggest captialism country in the world!

åŒèƒžä»¬ï¼Œç”¨æˆ‘们30%的收入,为伟大的美国的ç»æµŽå¤è‹åšè´¡çŒ®å§ï¼Œå¤§å®¶åŠ æ²¹å•Šã€‚

 

I have a kinda feeling this thread going to be hajacked by Chinese.

 

这帮孙å­ä¸€ç›´è·‘题,我们也æ¥ä¸€æ¬¡å§...

 

I hope not. this thread is really important and we all need to talk in a language we all understand : )

 

Luce3, we try our best to not doing that, but talking about taking money from Chinese, really pisses us off, you know.

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I'm so happy I have a way to express myself in my own language.

 

我一直都认为美国是世界上最牛逼的国家,现在它åˆä¸€æ¬¡è¯æ˜Žäº†å®ƒè‡ªå·±ï¼šå®ƒå·²ç»å¼€å§‹é€šè¿‡ï¼³ï¼³å‘全世界å¾ç¨Žäº†ï¼

 

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SS, you really need pay me if you want translation!

 

 

 

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30%真的太夸张了!!

30%is too exaggerate!!

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ok. my country is not on the list. you are going to take 30% of my money for taxes.

 

what we contributors from countries as mine can expect to have for this money?

 

in my country we pay taxes, and have some advantages for this: medical/social security, police and similar services that are keeping order by the laws, railway/roads/...etc...

 

what will i have in United States for this money?

will i have an official document that i payed taxes?

can i go with this document in US embassy here in my country, and say, please, do not humiliate me with your stupid paperwork, and asking me for my grandma's grandma date of birth - as you can see, i am a tax payer in US - so please fill an US visa in my passport. (if i want to visit USA as a tourist on example).

also, i do know a few buyers of shutterstock credit packages here in my city. these are some magazines, and a few designers.

these people/companies already payed taxes on the money that is used for buying credits. for example if these people use all the credits for images of non-us contributors (from countries we discuss here) - what do we have to pay this to united states? if i do understand correctly, this is the way:

 

buyer(belgrade) buy a ss credits for downloading images -> ss (american company/agent) is going to be charged by US tax authorities for the profit that ss make). -> buy images from non-us residents/country that is not on the irs list

why is this contributor charged 30%? - the only american that makes profit here (shutterstoc), is already charged (i am sure) for the profit that company makes?

where is sense here?

 

is there any possibility for me just to disable my files, but not to delete (yet), until some important questions are answered and solved here?

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another poster recommended increasing the minimum payout total - and dont receive a payout until we can sort out the paperwork.

 

but the real point is - we need TIME to complete these formalities and we need proper documentary support from ss to help with our own governments tax systems.

 

I don't normally get pissed off. But I am now because this has been dumped on us at the total last minute....

 

NO REASONABLE PERSON WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROCESS IN TIME.

 

SS - how many posts to say this? GIVE US TIME and GIVE US MORE INFORMATION

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I don't understand what is wanted from me.

 

I read in that other message for Netherlands is 0%. So that's okay then? I don't have to do something and I don't have to throw away 30% of my income?

 

Nope! I am a UK resident and although it says %0 we will pay %30, unless we get a ridiculous number.

 

Honestly, what are the people going to get for the money they pay to IRS? This is one of the questions that should be answered. US citizenship and benefits? How many US citizens and SS contributors pay %30 tax on a few hundred dollars?

 

If non-US contributors are going to pay more taxes, or double taxes they deserve more rights than US citizens. Plain and simple!

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Great...

 

 

Dollar value is dropping in my country,

Sales are dropping and they are worse than ever,

You are taking our 30% off...

 

 

Great...

Just great...

 

THIS IS THE END OF MICROSTOCK, because it DOESN'T worth our time, it doesn't pay out to us!

 

Why Shutterstock don't give us a RISE of 30% now?

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Here's an interesting quote from SS Admin back in January 2009 (** interesting how there was no need for an ITIN/W7 Form back then...unless I missed something):

 

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mackin43

Site Admin

Post Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:57 pm

 

IF you received the email from us recently, then yes, it would be the W8 for non-US submitters. It is for record-keeping purposes; you are not being asked to pay US taxes.

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(find it at http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54237&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 )

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It looks like delete will be only option if this become a reality. To give 30% to US, probably for some new wars or world police actions ... It is funny!!!

 

Er, no, you will be paying for Obama's massive Socialistic spending spree. Thanks to the incredible stupidity of American voters and the idiot press who practically pushed Obama into power, the Democrats control not only the White House but also the US Congress (and by the way, it was the Democrats in our Congress, especially Barney Frank, who are responsible for the collapse of our economy with their ridiculous sub-prime mortgage schemes, NOT George Bush)

 

The guy is taxing everything he can think of to pay for his idiot social programs, and it will only get worse.

 

And now I will probably get audited.

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Do I need to provide a copy of my passport?[/b]

 

No. The US Internal Revenue Service will accept other forms of identification to establish your identity and your status as a resident of country with an income tax treaty with the US. Please see the W7 instructions for a complete list of acceptable ID.

 

Form W7, Page 3:

 

"If you submit an original valid passport (or a notarized or certified copy of a valid passport). Otherwise, you must submit at least two of the documents listed below"

 

Notarized/certified by whom?

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I'm so happy I have a way to express myself in my own language.

 

我一直都认为美国是世界上最牛逼的国家,现在它åˆä¸€æ¬¡è¯æ˜Žäº†å®ƒè‡ªå·±ï¼šå®ƒå·²ç»å¼€å§‹é€šè¿‡ï¼³ï¼³å‘全世界å¾ç¨Žäº†ï¼

 

太牛逼了ï¼ç¾Žå›½ï¼ï¼é¡¶ï¼ï¼ï¼

 

SS, you really need pay me if you want translation!

 

 

 

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30%真的太夸张了!!

30%is too exaggerate!!

 

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