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4 hours ago, PlopandShoot said:

I want to point out that every single one of us has stuff that we all go through. My journey is no better or worse than anyone else's, just different is all. Its how one deals that matters most.

That is a more than impressive statement from someone who, from my subjective point of view, has been given so many negative things by life.
I take my hat off to your positive attitude towards life. And I wonder where you get the strength and power to see things the way you do. I can't put myself in your shoes, but I can at least begin to understand what your life is like. For me, I'm not sure I could handle such a situation as remarkably as you do. You have my full admiration. And I wish you the strength that you can continue to take your hurdles so well!

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And before anyone starts saying, 'yeah but she's been here for 8 years and she's got 10k photos, blah, blah, blah.' I started with nothing but an old Nikon d90 camera and a kit lens. I knew nothi

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5 hours ago, PlopandShoot said:

And yes, cancer plus myalgic encephalomyelitis/cfs. Out of the two, cancer is the easy one. The other has robbed me of virtually everything. It has similarities to "long tail covid" that some may have heard of and it is terribly debilitating. Unfortunately, there's no cure and treatments are few and inconsistent. I can still swallow food and speak (and surf thankfully), but I can no longer write, stand, walk, or even sit up for long. 

I do feel lucky though, I've seen the world a few times through stock photography, and I discovered writing long enough to get published, a long, long standing dream of mine. 

I am really sorry to hear that, Terry ...and  i truly admire your inner strength and your positive attitude towards the situation!

and you are absolutely right, same as Annie ...  no need to whine, but change the way of thinking ... the market is changing and we have to adapt to that. ... i am guilty of whining from time to time :) but i promise i will do my best not to! :)

 

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15 hours ago, stevemart said:

Interestingly, in Alexandre Rotenberg's interview with Doug Jensen he said that one of his worst decisions ever was to let someone else (external agency subcontracted by Adobe) do the keywording on thousands of his videos. Those videos rarely sell on Adobe whilst they do well on SS (keyworded by Doug himself). Others are crap at keywording and it's very important to get it right.

I felt I was loosing control and that they were taking over, and what really upset me was that if you uploaded a batch, and you did not untick the insta pay check box, your material will be re-used over and over again for free in creative commons community without you being able to do anything about it. There is no way to opt out once you submit and keep that box checked. 

When I left they said that for 90 days my work would still be available for sale on those sites without me ever getting paid for it because I was leaving and had not reached a minimum pay out. 

So no, never trust any of those sites there just stealing.

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2 hours ago, PlopandShoot said:

 I found it quite simple to ask them to unsubscribe me when I inadvertently added to Instant Pay and I know others have as well. Later, I opted back in. Never had a problem and given how few (relatively) images go to that program, generally the ones that don't sell anyway, I have no problem with it. How many of yours were accepted to the program? And again, where did you see Wirestock "owning" free sites like you stated earlier?

At least I get paid for having my images in Adobe Stock or on Freepik. At 4.25 per, that would take over 100 subs here. So far, the ones I have on Instant Pay have never earned close to that in all the years they've been online. Its just work product after all. 

As far as payout when closing goes, many agencies do that or have done that. Next time I suggest reading the TOS beforehand.

Hey if youre happy with them thats great. What ever.

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21 hours ago, Milleflore Images said:

How many people who have started in the last couple of years can say now, "I've learnt a lot from the forums'?

Well, I joined a year and half ago and I've got the feeling that "I've learnt a lot from the forum"! I didn't know much about photography before except that I loved to travel and used to take tons of pics in auto mode. But then I came here and I wanted to improve. Of course I learn more on the internet but the forum was still a good place to learn when I came. It's not as good as before because a lot of inspiring people left with the new structure and a lot of people complain about it. There is also many newbies that wants to have everything without learning obviously. When I came I tried to read a maximum of thread, especially the advice ones. Now there is so many people asking the same questions that I get why old timers left the ship, even without the new structure. Like how is it still possible to still have people speaking about petition a year after the change? How is it still possible to have people asking about why getting 10c after reaching level 3 or 4? How is it possible to have people asking about not getting money while they didn't fill their tax report? I mean there is a search option in the forum but I guess some people are just too lazy.

Well, as you guys said, it's a "job", and laziness won't get you anywhere. There is people that adapted to the new structure and it seems to be possible to still make some money out of it from what I see on the forum. It is not just quantity, not just quality, but a bit of both actually (depending on your subject). Clearly it seems to help if you have a big PF but quality is really important too. I win less than others here with similar or smaller PF but when I look at their pics, I know why and I'm not jealous about what they earn because it is well deserved. I just tell myself that I have to improve! To think more about my subject, my composition, my lighting, etc. I also learn how this microstock industry actually works and start to put my work on other sites. Some doesn't seems to work, or at least for me so I have to adapt and move to put my effort on others. I learn that here on the forum.

I'm far away from my goals, and I couldn't even define my goal without the forum. What to expect? What image quality do I want to reach? How can I compare my work with others? Well the answer to those questions are here! 

So I want to say thank you to those who bring positivity and honesty to this forum! You are inspiring!!! 

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1 hour ago, Awana JF said:

Well, I joined a year and half ago and I've got the feeling that "I've learnt a lot from the forum"! I didn't know much about photography before except that I loved to travel and used to take tons of pics in auto mode. But then I came here and I wanted to improve. Of course I learn more on the internet but the forum was still a good place to learn when I came. It's not as good as before because a lot of inspiring people left with the new structure and a lot of people complain about it. There is also many newbies that wants to have everything without learning obviously. When I came I tried to read a maximum of thread, especially the advice ones. Now there is so many people asking the same questions that I get why old timers left the ship, even without the new structure. Like how is it still possible to still have people speaking about petition a year after the change? How is it still possible to have people asking about why getting 10c after reaching level 3 or 4? How is it possible to have people asking about not getting money while they didn't fill their tax report? I mean there is a search option in the forum but I guess some people are just too lazy.

Well, as you guys said, it's a "job", and laziness won't get you anywhere. There is people that adapted to the new structure and it seems to be possible to still make some money out of it from what I see on the forum. It is not just quantity, not just quality, but a bit of both actually (depending on your subject). Clearly it seems to help if you have a big PF but quality is really important too. I win less than others here with similar or smaller PF but when I look at their pics, I know why and I'm not jealous about what they earn because it is well deserved. I just tell myself that I have to improve! To think more about my subject, my composition, my lighting, etc. I also learn how this microstock industry actually works and start to put my work on other sites. Some doesn't seems to work, or at least for me so I have to adapt and move to put my effort on others. I learn that here on the forum.

I'm far away from my goals, and I couldn't even define my goal without the forum. What to expect? What image quality do I want to reach? How can I compare my work with others? Well the answer to those questions are here! 

So I want to say thank you to those who bring positivity and honesty to this forum! You are inspiring!!! 

You‘ve got lots of good and stocky images. And you will raise your performance - no question.

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2 minutes ago, Wilm Ihlenfeld said:

You‘ve got lots of good and stocky images. And you will raise your performance - no question.

Thank you Wilm!

I love your PF. It is small but very good in quality and your numbers are great! That's a true inspiration!!! 

When I watch your work, I can see what I need to improve... Your content is so clean and clear, it's all about one simple message. One image, one message. I guess it works perfectly for stock content because it translate what the buyers want to highlight...

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45 minutes ago, Awana JF said:

Thank you Wilm!

I love your PF. It is small but very good in quality and your numbers are great! That's a true inspiration!!! 

When I watch your work, I can see what I need to improve... Your content is so clean and clear, it's all about one simple message. One image, one message. I guess it works perfectly for stock content because it translate what the buyers want to highlight...

Thank you very much for you Kind words, Awana!

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3 hours ago, PlopandShoot said:

I am, thank you. Care to provide citations your facts you stated? Which "free" sites does WS own? iStock owns Unsplash now, not sure who SS or Adobe may or may not own... I am of the belief that people here need factual info to make good decisions. Wouldn't you agree?

Oh and, on this public forum, I find you awfully brave to accuse a company of committing a real crime (stealing). Good luck with any fallout from that.

I got no use for you or your advice. I dont know who you are, and I dont care but I have no room for people like you.

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1 hour ago, Awana JF said:

Thank you Wilm!

I love your PF. It is small but very good in quality and your numbers are great! That's a true inspiration!!! 

When I watch your work, I can see what I need to improve... Your content is so clean and clear, it's all about one simple message. One image, one message. I guess it works perfectly for stock content because it translate what the buyers want to highlight...

It has become really hard for the newbies here.

I just had a look. At shutterstock I now have 162 images that have reached more than 100 downloads. At the competitor it is even only 83 images.

Of these images, very few are younger than 3 years. And when I upload new images today, which happens quite rarely, and of which I am sure that they would have performed well very quickly in the past, then I realize: Not much is happening. 

What I want to say is that if you younger contributors are performing well today, that's a very high recognition that you shouldn't underestimate. And when we, who have been around much longer, have better numbers, it's often not because we're making a better job than you, but simply because we're still gaining capital from the positioning of older images, which is simply not possible for you.

You can be proud when you achieve a positive trend. And you can assume that many of the contributors who have been here for a long time are just as envious of you as you are of them.

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4 hours ago, Awana JF said:

So I want to say thank you to those who bring positivity and honesty to this forum! You are inspiring!!! 

Thank you. 

I really love the way you shoot your models from behind. One thing I learnt over the years was that advertisers dont necessarily want people's faces in their photos. They want representation of people but they know that actual faces may repel some of their target audience.

When I started I decided not to shoot people but I started to put things like hats and shoes in my photos - or just hands - and they sold extremely well. Because they gave it a human touch. 

The only thing I can add is that you can possibly increase your income by honing in on what your potential buyers want. Something a bit different to whats already out there. It takes a bit of research. You have to start looking at everything from a buyers perspective. 

I dont know if you read some of my earlier posts on other threads, but I believe if you target the SS Premier buyers and try and work out what they want, you can open yourself up to much higher returns.

Stock Photos for Business Use - Enterprise Content Platform | Shutterstock Enterprise

The other things is that, if you specialise in an area that ends up doing very well for you, you don't need to have a lot of photos to make good money. If you dont want to do that, then you usually need more. On the other hand, I've been here for while and I have been adding around 1,500 photos a year. So it adds up over time. 

ETA: The guy that taught me video said to me, 'if its easy to do then everyone will be doing it'. That really blew me out of my comfort zone and led me to eventually doing stop motions. I think that advice is it in a nutshell. 

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4 hours ago, Awana JF said:

Well, I joined a year and half ago and I've got the feeling that "I've learnt a lot from the forum"! I didn't know much about photography before except that I loved to travel and used to take tons of pics in auto mode. But then I came here and I wanted to improve. Of course I learn more on the internet but the forum was still a good place to learn when I came. It's not as good as before because a lot of inspiring people left with the new structure and a lot of people complain about it. There is also many newbies that wants to have everything without learning obviously. When I came I tried to read a maximum of thread, especially the advice ones. Now there is so many people asking the same questions that I get why old timers left the ship, even without the new structure. Like how is it still possible to still have people speaking about petition a year after the change? How is it still possible to have people asking about why getting 10c after reaching level 3 or 4? How is it possible to have people asking about not getting money while they didn't fill their tax report? I mean there is a search option in the forum but I guess some people are just too lazy.

Well, as you guys said, it's a "job", and laziness won't get you anywhere. There is people that adapted to the new structure and it seems to be possible to still make some money out of it from what I see on the forum. It is not just quantity, not just quality, but a bit of both actually (depending on your subject). Clearly it seems to help if you have a big PF but quality is really important too. I win less than others here with similar or smaller PF but when I look at their pics, I know why and I'm not jealous about what they earn because it is well deserved. I just tell myself that I have to improve! To think more about my subject, my composition, my lighting, etc. I also learn how this microstock industry actually works and start to put my work on other sites. Some doesn't seems to work, or at least for me so I have to adapt and move to put my effort on others. I learn that here on the forum.

I'm far away from my goals, and I couldn't even define my goal without the forum. What to expect? What image quality do I want to reach? How can I compare my work with others? Well the answer to those questions are here! 

So I want to say thank you to those who bring positivity and honesty to this forum! You are inspiring!!! 

I am sorry that I didn't quote your whole post above because there is a lot of info in it. So here it is in full.

Other than what I said in the above post, I think you've got what it takes and the next step for you is to go 'unique'.  In other words, start always by looking at what's already on the database, and then do something different.

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1 hour ago, Wilm Ihlenfeld said:

At shutterstock I now have 162 images that have reached more than 100 downloads. At the competitor it is even only 83 images.

Wow that more than 10% of your images!

Well I only have one pic that is getting close to 100 downloads. It's not my favorite, nor the best in quality, but I like its feeling. A few others are about 10 to 20 downloads so I might start to see a pattern of what have some potential. I tried to reproduced some images that worked and the new image don't seems to work... But who know they might in time! 

1 hour ago, Wilm Ihlenfeld said:

if you younger contributors are performing well today

I wouldn't say "well", but I didn't see a huge effect of the new earning structure on my revenue. Basically, the more images I upload, the more money I get. Nevertheless, it is still far from being "well"... But I'm still learning and I will get there eventually... 

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7 hours ago, Awana JF said:

Wow that more than 10% of your images!

Well I only have one pic that is getting close to 100 downloads.

A few people here in the forum are skilled enough to make very special and consistent images of great style and quality which appeals to a certain (but obviously large) customar base. The way you - and I - and most contributors - create images can not even come close to such sales.

7 hours ago, Awana JF said:

I tried to reproduced some images that worked and the new image don't seems to work...

Don’t do that - you only compete with yourself and your images go down in rank!

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8 hours ago, Awana JF said:

 

Wow that more than 10% of your images!

Well I only have one pic that is getting close to 100 downloads. It's not my favorite, nor the best in quality, but I like its feeling. A few others are about 10 to 20 downloads so I might start to see a pattern of what have some potential. I tried to reproduced some images that worked and the new image don't seems to work... But who know they might in time! 

I wouldn't say "well", but I didn't see a huge effect of the new earning structure on my revenue. Basically, the more images I upload, the more money I get. Nevertheless, it is still far from being "well"... But I'm still learning and I will get there eventually... 

I don't know exactly when you started here, Awana. I probably should know, but I forgot.

Anyway, 10 years ago you could get three times the portfolio size in downloads per month here as a beginner.
If you had also started back then, many of your images would have also reached high download numbers - I'm pretty sure.

Nevertheless, what Annie writes is of course true. It is certainly advisable and also more important than it used to be to look for niches that are not yet covered with countless images.

In any case, you are on a good path and I'm happy for you.

Good luck!

 

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There are many commercial stock media libraries, each with different market strengths. Many contributors contribute to more than one of them. Eventually you might work out which image subject types benefit most from which libraries. However this is not fixed and can change over time. It is a game of quantity based on working out demand, and that varies with each library. Just don't expect a big income without volume of what is popular or in demand. It will be a labour of love for a very long time.

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On 5/29/2021 at 8:18 PM, Shijune01 said:

Can we petition? Anyone big enough to start their own site? 😬 We literally work for pennies, as it is......

This needs to completely change and we either take a stand or lay down and take it. Would we make more money, if we start our own websites? 
https://snaptube.cam/  https://9apps.cam/

I am tired of making everyone else rich. People are already getting a great deal, no longer paying someone to take photos and modeling, etc..

Has anyone taken that link above?

I think that this post might actually be a scam one with a link it's not a good idea to take.

There are many of these on the forums now.

The good thing is that irrespective of the intentions of the OP,  it's turned out to be a very interesting thread with people involved who don't post so much nowadays.

It's good to see that some long term contributors still feel positive about Sstock/microstock in general...

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1 hour ago, Studio 2 said:

Has anyone taken that link above?

I think that this post might actually be a scam one with a link it's not a good idea to take.

There are many of these on the forums now.

The good thing is that irrespective of the intentions of the OP,  it's turned out to be a very interesting thread with people involved who don't post so much nowadays.

It's good to see that some long term contributors still feel positive about Sstock/microstock in general...

I don't trust this either. @Shijune01 didn't have that link in his question before. And he made no effort to answer questions.

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On 6/1/2021 at 9:42 PM, Awana JF said:

Thank you Wilm!

I love your PF. It is small but very good in quality and your numbers are great! That's a true inspiration!!! 

When I watch your work, I can see what I need to improve... Your content is so clean and clear, it's all about one simple message. One image, one message. I guess it works perfectly for stock content because it translate what the buyers want to highlight...

You have an excellent commercial PF and I'm sure that had you started when I did in 2012, you would have made (and still be making) a lot of money here. That is sort of the problem here between the 'newbies' who started after the really good times were coming to an end (2017 on) and the people like me who started 8 or 9 years ago. Those really were the easy days compared with now. I regularly earned $300-$400/every month with a PF of 500 images. And, although I've been a professional photographer for many years, I never approached stock with the degree of professionality and analysis as eg Annie. I've always had my commissioned work to make the real money. Stock was always a nice bonus for my own work that I would have made anyway as 'practice' to keep my 'eye in' as it were. I  also have around 5% of my present PF as 100+ sellers but back in 2017 that would have been nearer 10% of my PF. So, maybe this gives some idea as to why some 'old' contributors complain so much. Times were sooo very good for little effort and now they're not.

For me, I noticed in 2017/2018 that images I had approved were getting less traction than I expected and I virtually stopped submitting. For me (and this is just personal) the rewards no longer seemed to justify the effort but I wasn't really prepared to put in the extra effort as I had my source of free money (pension) plus the commissioned work which paid a rate I considered worth the effort and stress required for the reward. I realise I'm in a very luxurious position which in no way relates to the majority of contributors here and I definitely will not complain as I make no effort (and haven't done so for a couple of years) yet still get a payout every month (previously an 'income' but now just pocket money). Dunno whether this all makes any sense but maybe it gives some insight into the polarization on the forums.

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52 minutes ago, balajisrinivasan said:

Sigh... now I wonder why I wasted my time to create that ruckus. Apologies, everyone .

It's Annie's fault. She started with answers. Just kidding, sorry!!!
On the other hand. There are some interesting answers in this topic.
I wonder if many of the old' contributors like Steve and Wilm have stopped and started doing other things. And for that reason are no longer on the forum.
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For example: I chose Shutterstock at the time thanks to the explanation of Thijs (not me), a Dutch professional photographer. But I understand that, although he still recommends it, he is now busy with other photography and has little time for this. He has his own webshop, where you can order photos.
(A reliable link)

Besides. A few months ago I would email an admin that we don't trust the link. I should do that now too. 🙁

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1 hour ago, Thijs de Graaf said:

It's Annie's fault. She started with answers. Just kidding, sorry!!!
On the other hand. There are some interesting answers in this topic.

LOL! Yes, it was my fault.  (it all started with my birthday hangover 😉)

 

It was interesting though 😊 lol

 

Who needs an OP anyway 😉

haha haha

 

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