Gerald Brannon Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Am I the only one who is having trouble with shutterstock rejecting their photos with bull crap reasons? I had two of my best photos rejected one for posterization and the other for being out of focus. I’ll let you guys be the judge but I’ll be removing my photos from this site.this photo was out of focusthis had posterization Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The AI really does seem to get confused more often than not on foliage. Im more and more convinced it ranks every upload with a sharpness score (maybe looking at micro-contrast or something) and anything below a pre-set figure gets rejected for focus regardless of photo. I dont think a human looks at all. The top image in the size allowed here does seem to have a huge amount of chromatic aberration on the top though. Link to post Share on other sites
blvdone Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Re-submit with "previously submitted" notice so that a human will review it probably. If it's still rejected, move on. They don't want those particular photos. Link to post Share on other sites
Firn Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The rejections were both justified. Neither of these images is sharp. The first one looks like an anti-noise filter was applied and made everything blurry. I am not sure about posterization in the second photo, but focus is also soft and there is fragmentation in your blue sky. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Thijs de Graaf Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Since I've been shooting for Shutterstock, I always zoom in to see if it's in focus. Old photos that I was happy with at the time are usually not sharp enough. In that respect I have become a better photographer. You can only wonder if so sharp is always necessary. A not completely sharp photo can be very beautiful, like the first photo. The strange thing is that blurred photos are approved. But it's their rules that you may or may not agree with. Some of my photos are approved here and disapproved by Adobe Stock and vice versa. No photo has been rejected at Alamy so far. In nature photos I often look for something like a few hikers, who will give you sharp attention. Then the photo is approved even though the foliage is not completely in focus. I also took the photo of the dune lake without a fence. It had been rejected due to focus. 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites
David Calvert Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I find that photos that feature large quantities of foliage in them do get rejected because of 'noise'. AI obviously doesn't understand what foliage is. Link to post Share on other sites
Jacqueline kelsall Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The top photo is has an awful lot of chromatic aberration (purple fringing) around the tree branches that are up against the bright sky, that shouldn't be accepted . I can see the purple without even having to zoom in. Link to post Share on other sites
HodagMedia Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 6 hours ago, David Calvert said: I find that photos that feature large quantities of foliage in them do get rejected because of 'noise'. AI obviously doesn't understand what foliage is. Or water, or brush, or gravel... sometimes 😀 I'd suggest for anyone, if you are having grain and pixelation rejections, remember "Never Sharpen The Sky". Link to post Share on other sites
Whiteaster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 9:38 PM, Gerald Brannon said: custhis had posterization Move the full version of this image from left to right and back, not very fast but not very slowly. Then come back and tell us what you see in the sky. Link to post Share on other sites
HodagMedia Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Whiteaster said: Move the full version of this image from left to right and back, not very fast but not very slowly. Then come back and tell us what you see in the sky. Strange vertical streaks and blobs, especially in the upper right. Did I pass? 😉 I have a terrible monitor on this desk. Link to post Share on other sites
Whiteaster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, HodagMedia said: Strange vertical streaks and blobs, especially in the upper right. Did I pass? 😉 I have a terrible monitor on this desk. Yes, you did. That is the result of post processing but I cant tell what. Maybe it could be fixed but for now the AI is right IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 That could be just the result of JPG compression reducing the tones in the version he uploaded to the forum. Link to post Share on other sites
Whiteaster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Former_Poster said: That could be just the result of JPG compression reducing the tones in the version he uploaded to the forum. You could be right but I can only comment what I see. Often I resize 35MP images to half and I don't have this happening. Still I have seen this before but didn't find the reason. Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Resize works, the AI is less picky. I see no benefit what-so-ever uploading high (30mp+) resolution images here now. They end up getting rejected. I'll resize most down to 12mp now on export to save having to deal with it (but i upload the full resolution to all the other stock sites) Link to post Share on other sites
Alexandre Rotenberg Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Doesn't answer the question but those two images would probably never sell anyway Link to post Share on other sites
Rudy Umans Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Whiteaster said: Yes, you did. That is the result of post processing but I cant tell what. Maybe it could be fixed but for now the AI is right IMO. Not enough colors. Probably an 8 bit image. it can be fixed by starting over and process and save the RAW file as a 16 bit image . Going easy on the saturation slider wouldn't hurt either, but with 16 bit you would have a lot more leeway Link to post Share on other sites
Elliott Cowand Jr Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 11:38 AM, Gerald Brannon said: Am I the only one who is having trouble with shutterstock rejecting their photos with bull crap reasons? Gerald Brannon, How about this? My image of a "covid vaccine syringe" was rejected for focus and noise/film grain. I made absolutely no re-edits but only flipped it from horizontal to vertical. Presto, accepted. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Adam Gladstone Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I’ve had some weirdness on the site with acceptances and rejections.... In one case the same photo rejected here on SS for focus was accepted on a couple of other sites. On the other hand I’d also submitted a small (two photos I think) batch of photos only to realize that I’d uploaded the wrong file on one of them - it had obvious sensor dust that I’d somehow missed before saving the image as a jpeg, it ended up getting approved quickly!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I''ve accidentally submitted the same photo (or in some cases, whole batch) twice by mistake due to my dodgy filing here and ive had multiple instances of the same image getting both rejected AND accepted in the same review (usually focus). Its only on Shutterstock do i have Schrödinger's Image - where its both out of focus and in focus at the same time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
oleschwander Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 15 hours ago, Elliott Cowand Jr said: I made absolutely no re-edits but only flipped it from horizontal to vertical. Presto, accepted. Funny ..! How did you get that idea ..? Link to post Share on other sites
Thijs de Graaf Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 The photo of this garden chafer was two times refused. (focus) I think because of the flower. When i got it successfully on AS and Alamy. I tried for the last time with success. It sells well. Maybe the photo of a "covid vaccine syringe"was also approved without turning. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Photo looks fine but you cant ever use Alamy accepted as a reason - they dont inspect all images. One per batch, sometimes not even that. Link to post Share on other sites
Thijs de Graaf Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Former_Poster said: Photo looks fine but you cant ever use Alamy accepted as a reason - they dont inspect all images. One per batch, sometimes not even that. You are right. If a photo is approved by Adobe, I will try again with Shutter. As I wrote, it is sometimes the other way around and the photo is only rejected by Adobe. If they are rejected at both sites, apparently I don't see it properly and I don't upload it at Alamy either. (I usually upload a little later in Alamy) I think that this photo was rejected because the flowers in the front are not sharp. Link to post Share on other sites
HodagMedia Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 18 hours ago, Elliott Cowand Jr said: Gerald Brannon, How about this? My image of a "covid vaccine syringe" was rejected for focus and noise/film grain. I made absolutely no re-edits but only flipped it from horizontal to vertical. Presto, accepted. That's one of the best ever. Yes, there are some inconsistencies in the Bots that review our images. Also true as others have pointed out, sometimes accepted at Adobe are rejected here and some accepted here are rejected at Adobe. One of the biggest differences is, Humans that think, instead of Trained Machines. I admit SS has probably cut down on costs, humans are expensive, and our reviews are now faster than I can upload a file and index it? But is faster taken against missing creative composition, for example, really a gain? If money is the only objective, I guess that answers my question. Well dang, next time I get a rejection, I might rotate and upload again? 😎 Like the flowers soft in the foreground, the lower left is a shadow and dark. One more clue for us to play "beat the machines". Link to post Share on other sites
Former_Poster Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 47 minutes ago, HodagMedia said: Well dang, next time I get a rejection, I might rotate and upload again? 😎 Rotate it 360 degrees. It'll still probably get in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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