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17 hours ago, Sari ONeal said:

Sooo, to those people who have been here for more than two or there years (no discrimination, just that you won't have that data) -  are you seeing sales for old content (older than 7 years), medium old content (3-6 years old), or new content (2 yrs or under online).

 

I'm seeing sales on *only* VERY old images, and the sales are VERY slow right now.

 

 

I have images from 2012-2013 still sell a few times weekly. Basically sales are more or less even from 2012 up to this year. The latest one sold yesterday was from May 2020 for 97 cents. That’s my latest coz since then i have stopped uploading.

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Woke up to a $24 EL. September is back on track!

Tiny weeny tiddling 10 cent amounts for my, and others hard work. Daylight robbery!

Shutterstock - 87 downloads = 44$ AS - 29 downloads = 29.99$

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3 hours ago, Merrillie Redden said:

Still having a crappy month 34 sales for $6.45

August was good despite the 10 cent sales 57 sales for $66.17

 

I too had a good August with sales at 50-70% above 'normal' (months 2020 until June). September is pretty dreadful so far despite an EL and a similar SOD early in the month. The volume in 10 cent and teen cent subs just kills it.

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11 minutes ago, stevemart said:

I too had a good August with sales at 50-70% above 'normal' (months 2020 until June). September is pretty dreadful so far despite an EL and a similar SOD early in the month. The volume in 10 cent and teen cent subs just kills it.

My EL has saved me in terms of dollars but downloads are really down compared to the rest of the year. In fact, they are at the level of last December without the excuse of Christmas.

On the plus side, one more download and I have reached my 2019 total. Revenue is already a few dollars ahead of 2019.

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40 minutes ago, Charles Lewis said:

My EL has saved me in terms of dollars but downloads are really down compared to the rest of the year. In fact, they are at the level of last December without the excuse of Christmas.

On the plus side, one more download and I have reached my 2019 total. Revenue is already a few dollars ahead of 2019.

I was a bit shocked to see that my last September (2019) was terrible @ $71. I'm just below that now and would expect to better last year by a small margin. My downloads are pretty constant at 150-160/month. ODDs are also also fairly constant too and with the majority of sales in subs, just like others, I'm dependent on moderate SODs and/or ELs to make the month worthwhile. Really, I shouldn't complain because I've hardly uploaded anything for a couple of years now. In 2017 and early 2018 it just seemed that anything I uploaded never sold and I stopped making the effort.

It could be that what I was uploading was crap but I got to thinking about the process of customers searching for 'new' work and realised that with the flood of new images coming in at the rate of 250,000/day, my images would only stay on P1 of 'new' for maybe a few hours. The chances of being spotted and bought by a customer looking for something new (because they didn't want anything from 'popular') had been so reduced from the good-old-days when new images would stay on P1 of 'new' for a few days that I just thought it was no longer worth the effort. Even had my photos been superior to others submitted in that category, the chances of them disappearing into the abyss without views or sales were still very high. I suppose we were all rather spoiled brats from 2005 to 2015!

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22 hours ago, Former_Poster said:

But yes, i disproportionately see more of my older images sell far more often than my arguably better images of the same subject uploaded far more recently

I haven't been around long enough to have truly old images, but even I notice that customers are really not that picky. They will generally grab what's up on top, even if there is a much better version of the same thing available. Even if it's on the same page! Drives me nuts. I have this fairly horrid video clip, shot handheld, and the light was bad - but it keeps selling, despite the fact that I went to the trouble of going back there a year later with a tripod, on a gorgeous day, with the light just perfect. Oh well.

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1 hour ago, Milo J said:

I haven't been around long enough to have truly old images, but even I notice that customers are really not that picky. They will generally grab what's up on top, even if there is a much better version of the same thing available. Even if it's on the same page! Drives me nuts. I have this fairly horrid video clip, shot handheld, and the light was bad - but it keeps selling, despite the fact that I went to the trouble of going back there a year later with a tripod, on a gorgeous day, with the light just perfect. Oh well.

Theres certain an element to that.

I know a lot of people who use SS from a buyer point of view via a work account.  Typically these are illustrating articles or websites etc.  The main job is get the project finished and live - they wont waste time going through 30 pages to find the perfect image.  They take the first one they can see thats "good enough", use that and move on to the next task.
Obviously people buying ELs and so on will be more discerning but volume wise they're a much smaller group.

That's also why spamming huge numbers of similar worked for people on here a while back - saturate the search with a given topic and you'll pick up those "that'll do" buyers.  That image then gets ranked higher, appears higher in the search etc etc.
I do like Alamy's open, documented CTR methods.  Everyone knows the rules, everyone understands it and it punishes you for similars and keyword spam.

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Strange... Sales suddenly stopped on SS about 1.5 days ago and several days at AS.

Poof! Just like that, buyers stopped buying. 

I'm thinking COVID-19? New payment structure? The algorithm? The rapture!?

The strange has now taken a turn to the outright absurd. Dreamstime has just risen from the grave to produce nearly $5 in sales! 

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!

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1 hour ago, Steven Tritton said:

Strange... Sales suddenly stopped on SS about 1.5 days ago and several days at AS.

Poof! Just like that, buyers stopped buying. 

I'm thinking COVID-19? New payment structure? The algorithm? The rapture!?

The strange has now taken a turn to the outright absurd. Dreamstime has just risen from the grave to produce nearly $5 in sales! 

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!

Same here. Sales on SS pretty much ground to a halt last Friday. AS has been terrible for me since the end of July. I think it is the Covid induced economic slowdown.

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7 hours ago, Steven Tritton said:

Strange... Sales suddenly stopped on SS about 1.5 days ago and several days at AS.

Poof! Just like that, buyers stopped buying. 

I'm thinking COVID-19? New payment structure? The algorithm? The rapture!?

The strange has now taken a turn to the outright absurd. Dreamstime has just risen from the grave to produce nearly $5 in sales! 

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!

This week is also much worse for me than last week. Nearly 60 downloads less at shutterstock so far this week. Also the RPD is much worse this week. All in all, September will be good though.

 At AS it is a little bit more this week than last week - about +10 downloads.

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2 hours ago, Studio 2 said:

When I read these figures on a port of 900 I am mind blown. Especially as you no longer upload. You are clearly a professional standard photographer and have great themes but nowadays I don't know if that's even possible for starters. I started uploading in numbers last year and my downloads are minute compared to yours. Having been here a number of years will (as you point out) have given you a good 'head start'.

That said, albeit for dimes now, I am still selling 'old' photos for the first time. Which is pleasing.

Thanks. In the 80's and 90's I was a full-time commercial photographer. I've done well in the past with food but if you compare my 'not really specialised in food' port to that of Foodio (similar size port) I make buttons in comparison! I suppose that I was lucky to get in here when I did (2012) and that some of my first 10 images for admittance to the SS temple (as it was then....or so I thought) still sell regularly today. My most sold image is coming up for 4K downloads with a couple of others in the 2K range. Compared to some real oldies here, I was even a bit late to the party and not a really stellar performer compared to some who joined around the same time as me. It's difficult for anyone who wasn't here then to imagine how good the good times were. My port was probably around 500 photos in 2015 and I was getting 400+ downloads every month. $300+/month was normal and if you had a couple of big SODs/ELs they boosted the month to over $400.

The thing is, those sorts of earnings inspired one to produce more and better work but by 2018 I noticed that anything new I uploaded was often deluged by the 200K images coming in every day. One day after approval of images in a particular popular category, I would take a look to see where those images turned up in 'new' and they'd already be on page 5. In the good ole daze, you would probably still find your new images on page 1 after 3 or 4 days which gave them a decent chance to be seen and bought. In those days it was very much a business which could be built up and with a reasonable expectation of increasing returns for time&talent invested. Nowadays, it's more a lottery...Well, do ya feel lucky punk?🙃

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3 hours ago, Steven Tritton said:

Sad to read how things have changed so dramatically for the poorer in the recent few years. Must be hard for those who once had such high downloads and RPDs to experience  such deterioration. Microstock is clearly no longer an industry to motivate creators to produce better content and more work.     

That is certainly true for the old boyz/girlz. They have known the good (and comparatively easy) times.  But considering your late start here, Steve, you're building up nicely....so it can still be done.

I don't know whether it's just some sort of quirk but I'm now seeing more higher value subs coming in. Still getting lots of tens and teens but this week I've also had a $1.47, $1.03, $0.90, $0.87 and $0.83 all subs! I'm wondering whether some of the 'download-ten-free' have now decided to subscribe to the low-volume subs packages on which we earn the most?

Purrhaps there is light at the end of the tunnel....or not.🙂

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31 minutes ago, stevemart said:

I'm wondering whether some of the 'download-ten-free' have now decided to subscribe to the low-volume subs packages on which we earn the most?

An interesting thesis, Steve.

I just had a look.
Subscriptions for 10 cents:
June - 152 
July - 117 
August - 102 
September so far - 66 
My numbers would match your thesis.

On average I got 22.3 cents per sub in June, now it's 27.3 cents.

Compared to the former 0.38, however, it is and remains a significant loss.

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26 minutes ago, Wilm Ihlenfeld said:

An interesting thesis, Steve.

I just had a look.
Subscriptions for 10 cents:
June - 152 
July - 117 
August - 102 
September so far - 66 
My numbers would match your thesis.

On average I got 22.3 cents per sub in June, now it's 27.3 cents.

Compared to the former 0.38, however, it is and remains a significant loss.

Thanks Wilm. I'll have a look at my RPsubD for this month to see whether it's improved. I know from previous calculations that it's been fairly static around an average 19 cents/sub from June through August. Indeed a 50% pay cut.

Edit: My rate per sub so far this month had hardly changed. It's now 20 cents average instead of 19 cents.Overwhelmed by tens and teens!

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34 minutes ago, stevemart said:

Thanks Wilm. I'll have a look at my RPsubD for this month to see whether it's improved. I know from previous calculations that it's been fairly static around an average 19 cents/sub from June through August. Indeed a 50% pay cut.

Edit: My rate per sub so far this month had hardly changed. It's now 20 cents average instead of 19 cents.Overwhelmed by tens and teens!

I'm at $0.15 per sub in September. Worst month for RPsubD ever.

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31 minutes ago, Wilm Ihlenfeld said:

 

Gosh, Steve!!!

If we both combine our fantastic income, then we can have a real party! With Krug champagne, fresh lobster and dry aged beef en masse! :D

Today it seems that rather than fight, we have to Unite for the Right to Party! 🎉

Oh, and a nice bottle of my favourite red......

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7 hours ago, Studio 2 said:

I've just been looking at the link you pasted to your digitised photos ('Archive' thread).  Great stuff.  I particularly love the converging b/w railway lines. They would look good in a 'coffee table' art book...

Funnily enough that shot was one of a few I uploaded here just before the 'June Announcement'.......it actually sold twice in June but nothing since then.  Taken 1981 in Bayrischzell where I discovered that I hated skiing with all my heart! I'm just a terra firma kinda guy. At least I got a couple of shots from the trip.

 

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Got a whole load of digitized slides at the link on that 'archive' section. What I did during lockdown.

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4 hours ago, stevemart said:

Today it seems that rather than fight, we have to Unite for the Right to Party! 🎉

Oh, and a nice bottle of my favourite red......

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Steve,

thank you - you really made me laugh, although we all don't have much to laugh about at the moment. This wine, or better the label, is great! :lol:

What a noble drop! I am looking forward to it!

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On 9/25/2020 at 9:43 AM, Steven Tritton said:

Strange... Sales suddenly stopped on SS about 1.5 days ago and several days at AS.

Poof! Just like that, buyers stopped buying. 

I'm thinking COVID-19? New payment structure? The algorithm? The rapture!?

The strange has now taken a turn to the outright absurd. Dreamstime has just risen from the grave to produce nearly $5 in sales! 

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!

It is weird hey, Adobe has slowed this month for me and I am edging ever closer to the required 150 mark for my Photoshop and Lightroom package but Depositphotos has taken off nicely this month with constant sales every day.

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57 minutes ago, Evgeniia Ozerkina said:

98.71$ Dreamstime I'm already tired of waiting for the dreamtime to wake up and reach $ 100.

Shutterstock give small subscriptions, but were successful singles that saved the day

 

I keep forgetting Dreamstime exists.  Its earned me $3.70 this year when i just checked.  I stopped uploading 5 years ago due to almost zero sales and an utterly terrible interface to upload.

Still on $87.50 so at this rate i'll get a payout in a few years time.

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