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6 hours ago, Michael Warwick said:

I heard back from SS and I was told that "special" discounted pricing is offered to select customers where they can buy images On Demand for Subscription prices and maybe even less. I still do not understand why these sales are categorized as On Demand when, more appropriately, they are Subscription sales if what I am being told is correct. So select customers are being given huge discounts and, I suspect, some select photographers are being given special payouts. I still do not know how they would do their accounting for these sales since the published On Demand sales is >10 times than the special discounted price. And we will probably never know.

I disagree, Michael. Structurally these are OD, albeit with a very low price comparable to subscriptions.

Edit: PS: thanks for asking and sharing.

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5 hours ago, anne-tipodees said:

Thanks Michael, a job well done, it confirms what I have always thought. It may explain why the glitches are occurring at the moment in payments(the slot machines are not calibrated yet).

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Talking about slot machines: today I reached level 3 for images and when I checked the levels tab on my profile page I saw that I reached video level 2 yesterday - but I only sold one occasional video in January since I am not really into videos and didn’t upload anything since May.

Well I take it, but it doesn’t raise my confidence level in Shutters accounting abilities.

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14 hours ago, Michael Warwick said:

I heard back from SS and I was told that "special" discounted pricing is offered to select customers where they can buy images On Demand for Subscription prices and maybe even less. I still do not understand why these sales are categorized as On Demand when, more appropriately, they are Subscription sales if what I am being told is correct. So select customers are being given huge discounts and, I suspect, some select photographers are being given special payouts. I still do not know how they would do their accounting for these sales since the published On Demand sales is >10 times than the special discounted price. And we will probably never know.

Standard in any industry. Regular accounts pay standard prices. Big volume accounts get a preferred price for things. This goes for almost anything and everything in the world. The Big Box retail stores get prices less that some smaller store can sell for. Someone who buys 10,000 of something a year, gets a different price than someone who buys 10 of the same things. Volume Discount.

There is no evidence or documentation that special photographers are paid any different from any of us. Levels take care of that.

But the main point, an OD is priced different and isn't a SUB because that big buyer has a history of buying in large volume and therefore gets a volume price. That's how the accounting works, % paid is based on the price paid. Very simple.

And for the record... announce.gif 297 pages now.

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15 hours ago, Michael Warwick said:

I heard back from SS and I was told that "special" discounted pricing is offered to select customers where they can buy images On Demand for Subscription prices and maybe even less. I still do not understand why these sales are categorized as On Demand when, more appropriately, they are Subscription sales if what I am being told is correct. So select customers are being given huge discounts and, I suspect, some select photographers are being given special payouts. I still do not know how they would do their accounting for these sales since the published On Demand sales is >10 times than the special discounted price. And we will probably never know.

Again, I received further clarification from SS. Some customers are offered "Annual" subscription plans and are not bound by monthly purchase requirements but have an annual purchase requirement. So technically when they buy an image it is "on demand"  but the extraordinary discount of the annual plan puts the sale in a "subscription" pricing range. Apparently, the annual plans are not advertised online. 

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15 minutes ago, Michael Warwick said:

Again, I received further clarification from SS. Some customers are offered "Annual" subscription plans and are not bound by monthly purchase requirements but have an annual purchase requirement. So technically when they buy an image it is "on demand"  but the extraordinary discount of the annual plan puts the sale in a "subscription" pricing range. Apparently, the annual plans are not advertised online. 

You got it! 👍 Not advertised plans, at lower prices, that are only for high volume customers. We still get the percentage of each download for the level we are at. Based on what they actually pay.

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'I heard back from SS and I was told that "special" discounted pricing is offered to select customers where they can buy images On Demand for Subscription prices and maybe even less. I still do not understand why these sales are categorized as On Demand when, more appropriately, they are Subscription sales if what I am being told is correct. So select customers are being given huge discounts and, I suspect, some select photographers are being given special payouts. I still do not know how they would do their accounting for these sales since the published On Demand sales is >10 times than the special discounted price. And we will probably never know'.

3 hours ago, Michael Warwick said:

Again, I received further clarification from SS. Some customers are offered "Annual" subscription plans and are not bound by monthly purchase requirements but have an annual purchase requirement. So technically when they buy an image it is "on demand"  but the extraordinary discount of the annual plan puts the sale in a "subscription" pricing range. Apparently, the annual plans are not advertised online. 

Thank you Michael for looking into this and reporting back. It was good to see someone on the forum taking these issues into the real world and trying to do something about it with no small effort to yourself.

There is no accountability to us contributors at all then.

We receive random (to us) sums of money and we can never confirm whether we are being given the correct share of whatever secret sum the buyer has paid.

This lack of transparency doesn't create a positive working relationship.  I would love to know:

1. why we have been paid what we have for each and every image sold and

2. what the selling price was so that we can each check that the payments to us are correct.

It looks to me as though that 'on demand' arrangement you describe above is new, as those sort of minimal cents O/Ds didn't exist in the recent past (as far as I remember).

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1 hour ago, Studio 2 said:

'I heard back from SS and I was told that "special" discounted pricing is offered to select customers where they can buy images On Demand for Subscription prices and maybe even less. I still do not understand why these sales are categorized as On Demand when, more appropriately, they are Subscription sales if what I am being told is correct. So select customers are being given huge discounts and, I suspect, some select photographers are being given special payouts. I still do not know how they would do their accounting for these sales since the published On Demand sales is >10 times than the special discounted price. And we will probably never know'.

Thank you Michael for looking into this and reporting back. It was good to see someone on the forum taking these issues into the real world and trying to do something about it with no small effort to yourself.

There is no accountability to us contributors at all then.

We receive random (to us) sums of money and we can never confirm whether we are being given the correct share of whatever secret sum the buyer has paid.

This lack of transparency doesn't create a positive working relationship.  I would love know:

1. why we have been paid what we have for each and every image sold and

2. what the selling price was so that we can each check that the payments to us are correct.

It looks to me as though that 'on demand' arrangement you describe above is new, as those sort of minimal cents O/Ds didn't exist in the recent past (as far as I remember).

First, your welcome. It has taken some time and perseverance but I finally received somewhat honest answers. And you are right, we will never know what the actual selling price is and if we are compensated correctly. And if those high volume customers do not buy their entire allotment of images by years end, we will not benefit from the money left on the table. Again, I think you are right that the annual on demand arrangement did not exist before the new payout structure. 

And, btw, all letters to the CEO, CFO and Audit Committee Chair have been returned "undeliverable". I would probably have to buy a share of stock to have my questions heard.

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On 2/19/2021 at 1:28 PM, Michael Warwick said:

First, your welcome. It has taken some time and perseverance but I finally received somewhat honest answers. And you are right, we will never know what the actual selling price is and if we are compensated correctly. And if those high volume customers do not buy their entire allotment of images by years end, we will not benefit from the money left on the table. Again, I think you are right that the annual on demand arrangement did not exist before the new payout structure. 

And, btw, all letters to the CEO, CFO and Audit Committee Chair have been returned "undeliverable". I would probably have to buy a share of stock to have my questions heard.

Every OD in the past was always the same amounts? Mine weren't all the same. The OD have always been different and no agency except Alamy shows us the price paid. There is no transparency from any of these.

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1 hour ago, Clupeidae said:

Every OD in the past was always the same amounts? Mine weren't all the same. The OD have always been different and no agency except Alamy shows us the price paid. There is no transparency from any of these.

I have had one OD in the 2 1/2 years that I looked back, that wasn't $2.70 and that's before the new system. Since then 2020 Low $1.74 High $3.75 but starting this month I had a 45c and a 10c? Yeah, something changed... this month!

Right, most agencies do not show us the actual amount paid or details. If anyone wants to know what someone paid, just do the math? 🤑 $.45 at 15% the buyer paid $3.00 for the image. Multiple the credit we get by 6.66 and then you know what the buyer paid. (I left it at 666 for a reason)

 

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2 hours ago, Clupeidae said:

Every OD in the past was always the same amounts? Mine weren't all the same. The OD have always been different and no agency except Alamy shows us the price paid. There is no transparency from any of these.

There were "whole" ODs and "half" ODs. A "whole" OD (at the highest level) brought $2.85 and a "half" OD brought $1.24. Other allowances - except "half" and "whole" never existed under the old system. Look for yourself at your earnings in the past - you will see that this is true.

Attached is a screenshot from before the new revenue structure to show that what I say is true. All ODs were made up of the income I just mentioned - without a single exception.

 

Examples form the Screenshot:

8,18 = 2 x 2,85 + 2 x 1,24

4,09 = 1 x 2,85 + 1 x 1,24

6,57 = 1 x 2,85 + 3 x 1,24

9,79 = 3 x 2,85 + 1 x 1,24

and so on.

 

 

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On 2/22/2021 at 9:48 AM, Michael Warwick said:

And now I sold an Enhanced Image for $0.61. SS is giving images away.

I have learned that SS offers a variety of customized plans to select customers even for Enhanced images. That is how I earned only 61 cents for an enhanced download. Many customers are apparently offered discounted plans separate from what is offered online. So a customer can buy an image for large volume usage at high resolution for very little money.

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